I do agree also that genes from all the ethnic groups your family is mixed with keep showing up from time to time in the family line. In life a person has to find his or her won way and roll with it regardless of what others are saying.

Has Obama’s accomplishments AND “bi-racialness” made a difference in the minds of a certain number of whites? I think not. But in the minds of some other whites - maybe - we will see on November 4th. So we as a people don’t need to be wasting our time and debasing the genetic nature of our community by making an issue of such quibbles. It is what it is.

Strange how the ones that don’t want the love get the love. And the ones that give the love can’t get any. We are some weird folks.

It is only generationally that we can call some Black folks “early mixes” (maybe 87% of us) and some folks “late mixes” (Obama and the other 13%). Most of this mixing was done by force (via slave traders, owners and Jim Crow privilege) and some was consensual (resulting in: Obama, Tiger Woods and Halle Berry for example).

Then you have the other phenomenon of sexual intermixing over time within the group designated as “Black.” Resulting in white, various African tribal, Native American and Asian racial elements manifesting in different degrees in different families. So with all that folding-in and re-mixing of all these elements, we have become in some senses “a new people.” You have individual African-Americans walking around with anywhere from 10% to 90% African genetic make-ups without their parents ever getting with a white person.

You could take a random sample of 50 Black people whose families have not been with any whites for 5 generations back, and look at the various features, hair textures, eye colors, skin tones and undertones, etc. It is the fact of this racial mixing and re-mixing that makes the main distinction between Africans and African-Americans no matter how or when the mixing occured. When you check that - what do people mean when they say “he’s not Black enough?”

Obama is also Black culturally. He proudly married a Black woman (NOT WHITE!) - didn’t he? Went to a Black church. Did his community organizing in the Black community. He chose to be fully one of us instead of coming out of a white-folk pleasing “bi-racial” bag. What about his children - are they Black enough? We need to crack open some history books. And if his racial make-up is a point of criticism with some Black folks, those same people should come with suggestions as to how he should fix it.

We love to give white folks stuff to laugh about.

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It is so refreshing to read your comments and responses. You just “break it down” to facts only.

Example:

Commenter: “I’m a black woman, and if I have a child with a white man, the child will still be black.”

Joseph: No, you will be black, your child will be mulatto, and the child’s father will be white.

Just the facts.
Thanks, Joseph!

There was a time when blacks did not like the term “black” being used with regard to themselves. I guess it’s like mulattoes not having the term “yellow” used among themselves.

“I don’t identify as being biracial”

That’s fine, I know fat people who do not identify as being fat either.

That’s as stupid as one saying you can be a white person with a black parent.

“I’m a black woman, and if I have a child with a white man, the child will still be black.”

No, you will be black, your child will be mulatto and the child’s father will be white.

“If they just defined what it means culturally to be biracial than maybe people will understand.”

It is not a cultural identity, though the mulatto elite families in America have had a history of being community leaders and reformers. Whites have various cultures, blacks do, and mulattoes too.

“I identify as latino with a white parent.”

Whites, blacks, and mulattoes identify as latino, just as blacks, whites, and mulattoes identify as Americans.

“To equate a Creole with a person who resulted from the pairing of a black person and a white person is a gross oversimplication and straight-up denial of a rich, varied slice of history.”

True that, true that.

“We just have a different experience.”

We all do. I have a different experience from my very brothers.

But if you seek successful people from black America you will find them. Seek and you shall find, you find the elements that you sought out.

Chance: This statement by Buddha is symbolic the Jewel represents God and the Lotus represents the Heart. So yes Buddha did believe in God but Buddha taught his teachings from the esoteric interpretation which the average person would not understand unless they study it or are taught by someone who understands the esoteric traditions.

As for Karma even Jesus said that ye sow ye shall reap meaning plant good you will receive good and plant bad you will receive bad in return.

Chance: I Corrected it for you Ward.

We as a people are living in a post-Jim Crow, post-lynching, post-you can’t go to the public library time.

We spend waaay too much energy on what White people are thinking about us, their media biases, their itches, their twitches, etc.

Where should our heads be?

1. Education and high literacy. When slaves used to learn how to read under cover? And it was at one time against the law to teach even freed Black people how to read - come on! There is no excuse for Black people to have low literacy or marginal comprehension of the written word. This betrays our ignorance of history and a lack of appreciation for what our grandparents went through to get us here. In this area we have gone backward.

We need to do the hard work of developing a thick appreciation for education and scholarship in our communities. Yes - we do need more money expended for better facilities, equipment, supplies and teacher compensation. But if an education culture is not developed and reinforced in our communities, it will not matter how much money is being spent - the children will still not learn because it is not a community priority.

2. Black business. This is an area where we as an ethnic group should be at the top in this country for a whole lot of reasons.” Why would you want to work for the grandchildren of the people that brought our ancestors over here as slaves anyway? Our markets, because we are not “handling our business” are making other groups RICH, and our so-called leaders keep leading us to beg for a “job” instead of leading us to owning our own markets. To drive this home, check out Aron Ravens Black Hair Documentary on You Tube - it clearly shows how we are not “handling our business.”

3. Development and support of our own media. I could care less what the “mainstream” media is saying. We don’t control that - nor would I want to. I personally support Black media. Other media - when supported counters any mess that comes from the “mainstream.” Instead of doing the harder work of developing our own media, we are marching and boycotting. I think we can do better than this. I mean developing intelligent media. When we do have media, it often strays from the core message and turns into so many promotion rags for Christianity. Media does not start big - like what you are doing. HEY - Anybody with something to say and access to a copy machine, its that basic. If you got something to say, and enough people read it -THATS THE MEDIA.

4. Black on Black crime. Our community should develop ZERO tolerance of this. If we don’t take care of and protect each other - who will?

5. Development of critical thinking skills and stepping away from emotionalism. This is why Christian preachers are looked upon as the leaders in our communities, rather than the businesspeople, scholars and professionals like it is in other communities. Whites look at their business and knowledge infrastructure as their community base. Not clergy, who will tell you to “lay your troubles on Jesus” instead of “wipe your tears and get back to work.”

Talking about race can be productive. But many areas of our black lives that are negatively impacted heavily by race can be changed for the better if we as a people stated working on developing our own potentials and standing up. We are full human beings, we need to start behaving like we are.

White people (The Wall Street Journal) say that $800 Billion dollars flow through our Black hands every year. Why are we still looking for a job?

I have ZERO tolerance for Black on Black crime. Culture, poverty and all the other excuses have nothing to do with it. I grew up in the same conditions, along with other Black people that don’t commit crimes. I think we have too much tolerance for this in our communities - and it is profoundly hurting us as a people.

When you have a situation where a Black child (another 8 year old recently got shot in Chicago while playing on her front stoop) can be physically safer around White people than our own folks - it is truly time to stop blaming “racism” and pulling out other tired excuses for this and look in the mirror!

We as mixed race people can go among family on the weekends and visit. One can self identify as mixed race at times and still visit family. Your self identification has no major effect on your family because it is only apart of your daily life.

I agree that mulattoes should still help and participate in fighting against social injustices and racism which is a plague.

Well it is true that black men do go after white women and so do many mulatto men. But remember the mulatto men and women don’t have a culture of their own that is seen as separate from black culture. Therefore, they behave and react similar to how blacks do regarding social behaviors like preferring white women etc.

Most mulattas which also includes light skin black women date and marry darker men because they don’t have a separate culture where mulatto men and women can get together easily. A culture is made up of language, food, religion, politics, economics, written and unwritten social behaviors (acceptable and non acceptable), music, entertainment, relationships, literature, philosophy about life and other subjects, etc if mulattoes had this like Latinos have then they would marry and date each other.

Because they would see each other more often living in similar neighborhoods, cities, towns, actors, actresses, athletes, etc. Mulattoes need a culture that is seen as separate from whites and blacks, but we can still participate in black and white culture.

When you have a culture it givers the men and women in your ethnicity a chance to shine and show what they can do culturally. The Creole before the ODR use to have a strong culture, and the married among themselves. I am open to marry any woman regardless of her racial background or phenotype.

I feel that yes we become curious about men and women from other ethnic and racial groups who look different from us, and this attracts us to them. At the same time I do agree that the media, television, magazines, videos, and certain people in society have influenced people view certain women and men as a standard of beauty over others.

Denise you can cook that is a plus WOW!

I disagree that many white women are going a after black men; black men go after the white women because most of them feel that a white woman is exotic, because she is forbidden fruit. Also many successful black men consider white women as trophies. Also,most Mullato men prefer white women over mullato women. Many women of African lineage are single. I do not have a problem with interracial dating, but it seems that Black and mullato men set such high standards for black and mullato women,but when most of them get a white woman she is… well you know not a Pamela Anderson. I am a single mixed race woman of African lineage I am Christian, College Educated, Beautiful, cultural, can cook,but single.

I agree with you totally. I am also beginning to see certain biracials who are born with caramel brown skin or darker skin being depressed and negative towards people because their skin is not of a yellow brown, yellow, tannish, beige, or whitish.

I was just playing around with Keita’s comment when he said they want to look like you Chance. It is technically a compliment when people admire a certain look about a group of people. At the same time it is also a sad and painful to watch shame. People feel devalued, this kills there sense of self worth.

They is actually a type of murderer. After death there will be karma to pay, and the offenders may pay some of it in this life.
This is very sad.

2008 will make 32 years practicing the Buddhism of Nichiren Daishonin. Was born into the Nation of Islam and spent my mid-teens exploring Christianity. It was a serious and thorough reading of the Quran, the Hadith and the Bible (without interference from clergy) that made me realize - “something is wrong here.” I became an unapologetic atheist after my fourth complete reading of the Bible. When I encountered Buddhism in my late teens, I fell in love.

Buddhism seems to complement and clarify scientific knowledge. It does not contradict, its base premise is that of causality. Everything else comes from there. It is the most practical life-philosophy I know of, so far.

There is no concept of blasphemy in Buddhism. Everything, including Buddhism itself is open to examination, criticism and challenge.

Shakyamuni Buddha said: “Believe nothing no matter where you read it. Or who said it, not even if I have said it, unless it agrees with reason and your own common sense.”

That shows itself to me as a strong philosophy.

I just went to that forum, and man I visited some threads that had to do with skin, and many people do ask questions about these things. The website gets a lot of traffic too.

# Keita Fennick Wrote: They are trying to look like you, Chance.

Yeah the difference is that the skin complexion of my phenotype is natural. But it is nice to know that people want to look like you though.

so of these people want to be as white as micheal jackson, yes! or high yellow. sad

We see it with ethnic groups, gender, countries, economics, politics, etc.

I am Black and I love being a Buddhist (Buddhism is non-theistic).

Pick up these three books:

1. Atheist Universe by David Mills.

2. The End of Faith by Sam Harris.

And for an understanding of karma from a different viewpoint:

3. Unlocking the Mysteries of Birth and Death: Buddhism in the Contemporary World by Daisaku Ikeda.

Please check these out.

That’s right mulatto is an identity.

Suburbanites know that Detroit is out of control. The problem is the crime. Fear of that crime is how rational people respond to an out of control situation. The “solutions” are to put the criminals out of buisiness.

“you have a choice of being this or that, no in bettween.”

I agree which is why I identify as mulatto.

I guess this mixed race thing is cool.

For the most part a lot of them are looking for someone to take care of them and believe me they will get somebody thier age. i don’t trust them i’ve seen so many older women fall-out with the younger women over no goods like that.

I really do appreciate your paticpation here at this site Keita. I appreciate Joseph, Denise, and all the others who come here. I have to also post articles and write for the mgmix mulatto website, and it at times causes me to have to focus a little more over there than here at chancellorfiles. But i do appreciate all of you, I really do.
Thank you for supporting me. I even learn new ways of looking at topics and issues from the comments you all leave sometimes.

Some of you have come by the MGmix website and left comments, i appreciate that too.

Thanks supporters.

Biracials if they come out confused it is because they live in a society where there is only a two tier system black and white. Their needs to be more than two a level system. Latinos are like many ethnic groups considering people below them. Also the reason for Latinos considering blacks below them it is because whites have set a social climate in America that lets all non whites know that blacks are the lowest.
And you often try to not be categorized with the lowest. Being seen as a part of the lowest will open your group up to more racism. I do agree that their will come a time when certain whites and blacks will fight against each other in a race war. Whites can not get Latinos and Asians out of the country because Latinos are too numerous and whites no longer have the will power and are not able to remove Latinos from America.

Latinos are too numerous and they are also marrying into the white race of America. Many Latinos look white and this makes it difficult to get ride of every Latino. Latinos are well entrenched in positions of power and influence and are growing in power. I am glad that Latinos are here changing the demographics.
I see a big picture of them helping remove the old white and black conflict. I know that some Latinos are negative towards blacks, and that is a part of the growing pain. Time will heal certain things. I agree that many non white ethnic groups have many members among them who are not grateful for the struggles that blacks and mulattoes fought to make life better for al non whites.

The white American race are partially responsible for non whites being ungrateful — because they let them know that if they admire blacks publicly for their accomplishments, then they (non whites) will be racially discriminated against harder and more intensely.
So to avoid having whites whom still are the majority racially discriminated against them — they display anti black behavior, to let whites know they are not being friendly with blacks.
And yes, the choice is to be a mulatto not totally black or white just mulatto. Not really in between black or white but just a mulatto. By choosing mulatto one is not necessary being in-between they are choosing to be apart of something called mulatto. Some call mulatto in between others call it another identity.

Take your pick of what you want to call it. As for me, I will do my part to help the mixed race people, and humanity in general before I die. I have a purpose and meaning in life.

Education and intellectual development does not serve Christianity very well. Black preachers would soon be out of business if large sections of the Black community became critical thinkers. Scientific and philosophical literacy can empty a church real quick! “No Johnny, the universe was not created in six days!” Someone will say “Well ther are several ways of looking at things.” And you know what - that is true.

But whether you you are looking at the right or left side of “creation” - a 6000 year old universe created in six literal days and the present day understanding of a universe that appears to be 14 billion years old that formed (serially, out of an infinite number of previous formations) out of mass-energy that cannot be created or destroyed - no matter how many times you walk around it, the two sides just don’t square up! The sooner we as Blacks step away from Christianity and preachers and start regarding the Bible as the ancient cultural artifact that it is - the better off I think we will be.

The fact that the most unbiased truth seekers (most scientists and historians) don’t take the Bible as historically or scientifically accurate is one of many reasons to critically examine whether the philosophy it expouses is truly making an obvious and demonstrable betterment for our people (why is the Bible and Christianity so closely associated with White Supremacy - is one question. Why are there so many churches per capita in our communities but not a commensurate material improvement in our living and understanding is another question).

By the way - Bayard Rustin was not only a brilliant thinker that never got the kind of credit that he was due - but he was also an Atheist! Could you start a thread on Blacks and Atheism?

Ego-booster - from my experience, whites are at the same time, slightly fearful and more respectful of Blacks that are not Christian.

As far as black over whites, I don’t see it that much. As far as whites being outnumbered. They have allowed Latinos and the Asians to come here. We all know the black story. I don’t like hearing Blacks and Latinos like we are supposed to have a connection with them.

They consider blacks as lower to them. I always said that in this country whites will show their true side when the right time comes. I am with them as far as getting Asians and Latins out of this country. I am with them getting rid of affirmative action because most blacks abuse it on or don’t help other blacks with it.

I don’t care for these other minority groups because none of them are thankful to those who made affirmative action possible. They don’t care about nothing but them sekves.

As far as mixed people are concerned, you have a choice of being this or that, no in bettween.

My wife is an African-American, like me. She is bilingual (spanish), pretty, dark-skinned and dreadlocks. She grew up in a primarily Puerto Rican neighborhood and took advanced Spanish in college. She does not LOOK like she speaks spanish. But I love the unexpected look on the faces of Mexicans and other spanish speakers when she busts the lingo out on them, fluent and inflected.

She has been hired at some places with no other qualifications (”We’ll teach you.”) only because she has a degree and is bilingual.

I am now taking a course in Japanese.

Literacy is power brothers and sisters. That is why our former slavemasters and their children never wanted us to READ AND WRITE.
Other languages under your belt enables you to communicate with more people and expand the database of your mind. Let us stop boxing ourselves in.

A lot of times this is the real reasons, meaning it is understood by both parties that this is mainly sexual and enjoyment of company. Good observation Keita.

# E Wrote:
Tuesday, July 29, 2008 at 6:55 am -

Again read the Willie Lynch letters. Slavery has really screwed up Black people in the head.This battle over dark skin and light is not new. We have been taught to hate ourselves. Black is gorgeous in all its many shades. By the way, you have very light skinned kids that have 2 black parents. Hell, I can point out a number of my first cousins.

I said: The Willie Lynch letter is a fake and has been proven to be fake by scholars.

Good hair is hair that is kept groomed. Yeah people obsess on hair texture too much. Also the Willie Lynch letter is a fake and has been proven to be a fake by scholars. It was written in the 20th century in what scholars believe the early 1990s.

In the history of Blacks and Mulattoes in America, it was after Reconstruction that the 2 really began to mate with one another. The result was what was called “Brown America”, and brown was celebrated and became the ideal among the new negroes of the period after the 1920’s I believe. These new negroes were kind of in-between, like Mulattoes were with Blacks and Whites. Funny, I think some kids [who were part of this new Brown America] had said to a census taker once that they mistrusted the yellow people [mulattoes] and the whites. I mean a plain example of this celebration was with Joe Louis during his championship reign. His people referred to him proudly as the “Brown Bomber” and he actually was messing around with a Mulatto at the time, the nice looking Lena Horne.

To go off on a tangent here, speaking of Lena Horne she illustrates precisly what bugs me about some people. There are many mulattoes who are not of Latin origin who blacks or whites will call Latin because they are basically confusing Mulattoes in Latin America with Mulattoes in America. When Lena was doing her singing gig she would be passed off as a Latin girl at times.

# Ashley Wrote:
Sunday, July 27, 2008 at 8:46 am -

@ WTF -

freedom of press; and
freedom of speech.

My response: Yes freedom, freedom and more freedom.

I am somewhat effeminate-looking [not effeminate acting - not sure what that exactly means], but not “gay-looking” in the sense that you mean it, however, people say a look happy too often [”Why are you always smiling?”].

Going back to my parents, my father drained his testicles in many a woman, but what my mom did hate was that my grandmother did not approve of her son having relations with a black woman.

I’m sorry that your own race repulses you but maybe you will find a nice mulatto man for you sometime.

freedom of press; and
freedom of speech.

When I was on the corner doing legal hustling, I always used to see those who would turn up their noses because they’re going downtown Boston to their well paying job & I had a not so well one at the time. Well guess what, you’re in my old position now. You have to survive, but do you have what it takes since you been given what you want all these years?

Being poor and never really given a job to survive, I was forced to create my own job. Now that I have, I can create my own money locally, nationally, or internationally.

God puts his Chosen people threw real hard times so they can survive. He does not put the haves through hard time because he knows they will not survive because they look down on others. I always see people walk past the homeless like their lower than insects. So God knows what he’s doing.

If something goes wrong in one country — all countries in the union will feel it economically, politically, or even militarily if a country is at war with another.
Yes they don’t care how many people get killed or die in the process.

I have been keeping up with this new world order thing were they are trying to merge the US, Mexico, and Canada. They want to form the “Amero”. Then united with the other merging countries of Africa, Asia, and Europe.

Check the link I saw on Youtube, it’s a MUST SEE!!!!

They don’t care if they waste the lives of the poor either.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y55mfUi2D2Y

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oM6OnHqPtqM&feature=related