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Biracials Who Push the ODR on Light Skin African Americans and Creoles
by Chance Kelsey on Sunday, April 19, 2009
BiracialsWwho Push the ODR on Light Skin African Americans and Creoles
I have noticed that there are certain biracials who push the one drop rule on light skin blacks and Creoles. Then there are biracials who push the one drop rule (ODR) on light skin blacks but not on Creoles.
Biracials have to understand that light skin blacks are the result of biracials who married into the black population, and mulatto communities that where forced into the black population due to the ODR becoming law during the Jim crow era.
Those mulattoes who lived in the mulatto communities were mostly multigenerational mulattoes meaning they were not biracial. Their forefathers and foremothers had been biracials — but the majority of these mulattoes were not.
Now certain mulattoes who were part of the mulatto community were biracial but the majority were not. These mulattoes were endogamous. The Creoles were not from the White Anglo Saxon American racial system, they came from the French and Spanish system. So Creoles are from the Latin System since the French and Spanish are Latin people.
The French had influenced Creole culture in Louisiana more than the Spaniards, and this is why Creole culture is often seen as predominantly French influenced. For the most part it is more French than Spanish culturally.
Spain, Portugal, France, and Italy are considered Latin people. They are considered Latin because the languages of these countries came from the Latin language spoken by the Romans. Creoles are multi generationally mixed people.
Many biracials look less mixed than many light skin blacks and creoles of color.
There are biracials who look just as mixed as these two groups. Biracials have to understand that when they say that light skin blacks are not mixed or that the mixed race ancestry of light skin blacks don’t count because they are not biracial this is silliness.
Many biracials consider Latinos/Hispanics to be mixed race, and Latinos are multigenerational mixed people but biracials don’t argue that these Latinos are not mixed. The major reason being, because these Latinos have their own culture and are not from the American racial system. Yet certain biracials will argue that a multigenerational light skin black is not mixed, but yet will not argue that a multi generational Latino is not mixed.
Many light skin blacks have the same skin complexion as many Latinos.
Some biracials find it shocking, that light skin blacks are born looking just as mixed, and in many cases even more mixed than some biracials. Biracials often complain about whites and blacks putting the ODR on them but yet some of them do it to light skin blacks. If biracials did not look black in the eyes of whites and many blacks, they would not have to worry about being seen as black.
You are seen as, because you look as or just like. There are biracials who are not even seen as mixed or biracial — they are seen as just black until they tell people they are biracial.
Actress Halle Berry is biracial, but according to Halle she was seen as just black as a kid in school by other kids. She told them she had a white mother and black father, and they did not believe her because she looked no different from them, and they were not biracial.
Even as an adult Halle was seen as black. It wasn’t until she became famous, and told interviewers that she was biracial that people started calling her mixed race. Model/actress Vanessa Williams is not biracial but is multi generationally mixed, and has always been seen as mixed race.
When Vanessa Williams won the Miss America pageant in the early 1980s, some blacks wrote in to the pageant administration protesting, saying that Vanessa does not represent black women she is light skinned and looks very mixed race.
Some blacks complained she won because she looks more European in facial features, and this is why she was chosen. Notice the difference between how Halle was seen and Vanessa. The Biracial was not seen as mixed race, and the multi generational mixed Vanessa was seen as mixed race by blacks and whites.
Actor Terrence Howard is a multigenerationally mixed man, and he often is referred to as mixed looking by blacks. Musician Lenny Kravitz is biracial and was not seen as mixed race when he first became a professionally famous musician. As his career progressed and journalists and reporters dug into his background then it was made public that he was biracial.
All biracial people mixed black ancestry and their black ancestry is visible below the quadroon level are seen as black.
The term Light skin black only became popular and widely used when the ODR became law and the mulatto category was removed from the government census in 1930. So light skin black replaced the titles of mulatto and mixed race. A light skin black is definitely a multigenerational mulatto period.
W.E.B. Dubois was not biracial he was a multigenerational mix (MGM) man. Walter White was the leader of the NAACP for 20 years and he looked totally white and walked among white racist to investigate lynching that had been committed by whites. Walter White was not biracial he was a multigenerational mixed race man. Adam Clayton Powell jr had a quadroon phenotype and could pass for white, he looked like a white man with Native American ancestry and before he became a famous politician he could walk among whites, and they viewed him as white.
So it was the phenotype that got the biracial Berry and Kravitz seen as simply black and multigenerational mixed Williams and Howard labeled mixed. Biracials, light skin blacks, and blacks who have mixed race ancestry, are currently all seen as black because they don’t have a separate ethnic identity that is separate from black and white.
You need your own separate culture in order to be seen as separate with your own unique identity. Example in South Africa you have blacks whites and Coloureds. The Coloureds are the mixed race people and they have their own culture and ethnicity. Creoles are a mixed race people and they have a culture so let them be.
If you don’t want the ODR put on you, then stop putting it on others. It’s amazing to see how we adopt the same characteristics of mistreatment that the oppressor used to make us miserable.
Biracials multigenerational mixed people, who want to see an end to the ODR should work together to defeat this pathology.
Filed Under: Mixed race/mulatto, Social commentary
Lil Crawford said:
Wednesday, May 13, 2009 at 3:45 pmHonestly, Chance, I believe we should do away w/the descriptor “Light Skin Blacks”..Let’s embrace MGM – it’s more accurate and ADVANCES fellowship w/FGM’s.
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Chance said:
Thursday, May 14, 2009 at 12:08 amI agree that it should be used more frequently in public, and should be promoted in writings, blogs, websites, and society at large. Yes, let’s embrace it.
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Lee said:
Thursday, August 13, 2009 at 2:22 pmI’m curious, are you implying that only “light skinned blacks” are MGM? There are many MGM’s who could be considered “dark skinned”, including some within my own family.
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Chance said:
Thursday, August 13, 2009 at 9:07 pm@ Lee,
No I’m not dark skin and caramel brown skin African Americans are MGM also. I use light skin African Americans because blacks in general view these people as more mixed in physical appearance. So it is easier to use them as an example.
On top of that many blacks who are dark skinned do not claim a mixed race identity they claim black mainly because that is how they look.
Many light skins feel more comfortable with a mixed race identity because they look the part.
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paul said:
Sunday, August 30, 2009 at 3:22 pmI am a light skin black that had a fgm mulatress girlfriend that looked white. She had mulatto supremacy against me ,and didnt want me to embrace mixedness ,because i complained to her about someone rubbing blackness in my face (figuratively)and she launched back at me and said youre not straight up mixed (meaning directly)plus she thought i was “straight up mixed”when we first met until i told her otherwise so i can really relate to this article.
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Chance said:
Tuesday, September 1, 2009 at 5:41 amThe fact that she thought you were mixed when she first met you proves you are mixed. It does not really matter when you became mixed, the point is you are mixed. Also there are multi generationally mixed people who do more to promote mixedness than some biracials.
So it is all about how you see yourself, and how good your game is regarding mix race.
Example actor Terrence how is not biracial he is a multi generational mixed and often in interviews something about his physical appearance is mentioned or his mixed race ancestry. This helps promote mixed race/multiracial awareness.
So Terrance Howard has good game when it comes to mixed raceness because it is often brought up during interviews.
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LittleBear said:
Thursday, September 3, 2009 at 10:50 pmBiracial people dont get that when they have chilren there children wont be fgm they will be mgm mix= a light skin black.they think there the only one that get to be mixed race.
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LittleBear said:
Thursday, September 3, 2009 at 10:57 pmwhy do we divide ourself up in to light skin black and biracial,fgm vs multigenational mix? can we just say mixed race all around? how are we going to make a community if we are divide ourself up into fgm vs multigenational mix,biracial vs light skin black what can of bull is this.
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LittleBear said:
Thursday, September 3, 2009 at 11:21 pmhttp://mulattogirlusa.blogspot.....mment-form
here some bull for you to read
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Chance said:
Friday, September 4, 2009 at 4:13 amThat’s right biracials need to understand, that the reason they look like African Americans is because African Americans are already mixed.
Interesting website link.
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AP said:
Sunday, September 13, 2009 at 7:35 pmMy response:
http://mulattodebate.websiteto.....stcount=75
http://www.urbandictionary.com.....in%20Black
http://www.urbandictionary.com.....=mgm-mixed
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AP said:
Sunday, September 13, 2009 at 7:40 pmAgreed.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/.....ssage/2794
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AP said:
Sunday, September 13, 2009 at 7:55 pmMost researchers have concluded that the number
of people who are (born to two (2) parents that
are both members of the Ethnic group currently
referred to as) ‘African-American’ –and– who
are also ‘of an ancestral racial lineage that
both became and remained continually admixed
throughout their multiple generations’
(i.e. MGM-Mixed* / Mixed-Race) actually
stands at about 70% (rather than 100%).
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/.....ssage/1034
[MGM-Mixed=Multi-Generational Multiracially-Mixed]
Related Links:
http://www.pnas.org/content/94/15/7719.long
http://mulattodebate.websiteto.....stcount=75
http://www.urbandictionary.com.....in%20Black
http://www.urbandictionary.com.....=mgm-mixed
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AP said:
Sunday, September 13, 2009 at 9:02 pmAmen !!
Sadly — it seems this point often needs to
be to be communicated with certain groups
of people who are of FGM-Mixed lineage.
As so often, society has erroneously led a
number of FGM-Mixed people to believe that
FGM-Mixed is the ‘only’ or perhaps the
’standard’ definition of Mixed-Race.
Also — it often seems there is a pretty good
number of MGM-Mixed individuals who have been
‘intimidated’ (by certain FGM-Mixed people and
others in society) and ’shamed’ (by certain
Mono-racial people) in our society) into not
acknowledging themselves as being Mixed-Race
Only through education, dialogue and embracing
of all Mixed-Race types will a strong and
united Mixed-Race community ever truly
come into and remain in existence.
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AP said:
Sunday, September 13, 2009 at 9:10 pmRelated Link:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/.....ssage/1574
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Chance said:
Tuesday, September 15, 2009 at 12:03 pmOne of the major reasons for this is that — most MGM are being raised to view themselves as black more than mixed race.
They see themselves as mixed race but since in the black community black unity takes priority they get a little rusty when it comes to calling or seeing themselves as mixed race. At the same time you don’t always have to tell every black person you are mixed race to feel mixed.
Mixed race is a feel also, and feeling affect behavior. Some blacks don’t want any MGm self identifying as mixed because they want everybody to be black only. They feel oppressed and don’t want any other person with black ancestry to escape the oppression.
Certain biracials try to play off of the insecurities of certain MGM not having enough confidence to see themselves as mixed. You feel mixed then go with, if does not mean that you are interfering with biracials and how they feel about their own mixedness. Actually the more African Americans who push for mix the better and easier it will be for society to get use to seeing people with visible black ancestry as mixed.
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AP said:
Tuesday, September 15, 2009 at 12:24 pmThose are some really excellent
and thought-provoking points
that you have made here !!!
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nicki said:
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Joseph said:
Monday, March 1, 2010 at 1:53 amIt makes you confused.
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ProudMulatto said:
Monday, March 1, 2010 at 3:03 amQuestion4Joseph: Do you know anything about what happened to Chance??
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Joseph said:
Tuesday, March 2, 2010 at 2:54 pmApparently Chance is deceased. He’s not added anything to his blogs for over 2 months now. I’ve also not heard back from him after I e-mailed him.
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